Hive Documentary Film PROPOSAL // VOTE
This is the proposal for a full feature Hive documentary movie.
What this documentary will be:
- A 65-70 minute full feature documentary film made by an award winning team based in Europe.
- This will be a story about "crypto" and blockchain in simple terms with focus on "community" by using the "Hive story" as the central core of the documentary. In a sense having our story be the proof of the promise crypto and blockchain are making in a time when scams and meme coins are what the general public perceives crypto as being.
What this documentary will NOT be:
- This will not be a Hive "shill" piece with the sole goal of making the Hive community feel good. We want to raise the ceiling potential of the film.
- This will not be a revenge piece. There will be no personal attacks nor will the movie
seek to attack any crypto entities. Coverage of the events will be fair and balanced in
order for the viewer to form their own opinions while we provide them the relevant information. - This will not be a "technical" documentary. Topics will be covered in easily understood
language with the focus on easily understood concepts like: "self determination, freedom from centralized control, power of community, struggle against oppression, etc.;" while placing those ideals in opposition to the current social media giants like Facebook and financial entities.
(Why would you want to be in crypto? What do these people want to achieve? Do I want to be a part of that? Are those ideals positive?)
GOALS:
- This film will be entered into documentary film festivals across Europe with the ultimate goal of being accepted into the international Oscar qualifying documentary film festivals like Berlinale and IDFA.
- This film will be offered to streaming giants like Netflix and other smaller networks.
- Getting major crypto personalities from other projects to do an interview for the movie in order to increase audience potential.
For that reason the story must be broader than just Hive.
This proposal has been discussed with a few dozen individuals, large investors, witnesses, community leaders, already on Hive in order to determine a sort of consensus over what path the movie should take. Some community members like @theycallmedan, @starkerz, @yabapmatt, in case this proposal is approved, have shown interest in speaking roles. We will need around 7 people to interview for the documentary.
The current documentary brief (subject to change)...(https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PKL12gagV8XKnEP13vbIysgamN_AR4S0?usp=sharing)
...has been adjusted to input changes based on various concerns. I want to stress that a lot of things are subject to change during the script writing phase in order to align with the community response. The core "DO OR DO NOT" will mainly remain as is stated above because we want to create a piece of content that:
- Is not niche
- Does not cater only being of interest to a small group of people here. We want to make the potential audience as big as possible.
FAQ:
I want to answer some questions right away that creeped up during my discussions prior to the proposal launch and present the content of the proposal in this manner:
- Justin Sun stole money from our community and from my point of view committed reprehensible actions and is a criminal. We can use this movie to get back at him. Will you do that?
No. This documentary will not be a revenge piece nor will it dilute the message to "Good VS Evil" but rather pin ideologies against each other.
Events will be covered fairly but there will be no instances where anything in this film can be construed as slander or personal attack.
The story will cover the ideological clash not only in the Hive event but a clash in ideologies in the broader crypto vs mainstream sense.
The lawsuits between community members and Justin Sun will be what provides a conclusion on criminality, if there is any, not this documentary. We will only present events while focusing on the philosophical.
- Hive has developed relationships with exchanges like Binance and Huobi and has valuable trading pairs there. Will you be portraying Binance and Huobi as being complicit to the Steem takeover?
We will not. This documentary will in a way pay tribute to the Hive community, attempt to provide value, portray Hive as the ultimate embodiment of crypto ideals, not burn bridges or hurt Hive current position in the market. Going that route would be in complete opposition to what we want to achieve.
Since a large part of the documentary will speak about crypto in general and philosophy behind it, Changpeng Zhao of Binance will be contacted for an interview as well to speak on those topics.
We want to build bridges, not burn them. New strong relationships are worth more than basic emotional satisfaction.
- Can we get Morgan Freeman to narrate the film?
No we cannot. :)
The film will be professionally narrated but since we have a tight budget to adhere to, all cost will be reduced to a minimum as per agreement between the proposal maker, @lordbutterfly and the film making team. That means that there will be no unnecessary expenditure like getting renowned names to narrate.
- Ive heard a few people, even a large crypto influencer, mention a Hollywood style movie potentially being made from the Hive story. Is that something you will be doing as well?
Some have mentioned it, yes.
But no, our sole focus right now is making a fact based, general public focused documentary film where we cover core ideals of the crypto space using Hive as the proof of those ideals. Any further work will depend on the results achieved by this film.
- Who are the people that will actually be making this film?
The team working on this has been deeply introduced into the topic over the last few months. I have provided all the content I could get my hands on. Interviews from @theycallmedan, @brianoflondon, meetings with Justin Sun and Hive witnesses recorded by @ausbitbank, coindesk, cointelegraph, decrypt articles. Coverage from Youtubers (one of whom will be invited to do an interview), coverage on podcasts, etc.
Their CVs contain multiple awards from international festivals across Europe. They have worked on a number of full feature documentaries and movies that were shown in cinema, 100s of international festivals and dozens of different countries around the world from Europe, Africa, South America. They also worked with biggest music stars in the region and on major brand commercials.
I will provide the link to their CVs for anyone interested. This is the main team not counting the additional backing team and assistants.
Director: Jovan Dopudj
Film and sound editing: Aleksandar Milenković, Stefan Filipović, Marko Filipović
Cinematography and camera: Nemanja Stojković
CVs LINK:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HbJXQZWDSIxxdudMgxCHPvZ8d3UcY8sb?usp=sharing
The Conclusion and the "Why":
Why should you want to support this proposal?
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The answer is something everyone needs to find for themselves but from the point of view of someone that has been working on Hive for a while I have to say that this proposal is simply a matter of choosing how ambitious we want to be moving forward.
Projects of Hive market cap have been spending millions on promotions, making ambitious moves, asserting themselves in the crypto and legacy markets.
In 2021, counting the marketing budget approved by the DAO, Hive has spent 30 000 HBD on promotion. And if I'm to be brutally honest, we should be spending between 5-10 million HBD a year.
The work put into spending that money outweighed in monetary value the actual amount spent.
And I know. I was the one doing that work.
Current daily budget of the DAO is 100k HBD a day. Some being spent on things that will probably never be seen by more than a few handfuls of people.
This has a real potential to be seen.
I am not going to sugarcoat this either way. If we want to achieve great things we need to be bold!
In the absolute worst case scenario we have a great piece of content to be shared for decades.
Best case scenario.... we hit our goals.
We would request 70 000 HBD for this proposal.
10 000 HBD a day for 1 week. All excess funds would be returned to the DAO.
Based on other proposals we received for something similar, even from internal teams, that offered to make a Hive "promo" piece about the Hive story, that would basically only appeal to the Hive community, per 10 minutes, this documentary is about 2-3 times cheaper.
https://twitter.com/Lordbutterfly/status/1477697500085735432
https://twitter.com/EnjarGames/status/1477717655662518274
https://twitter.com/TheManCaveProj1/status/1477751327564435457
https://twitter.com/hive_blockchain/status/1478832300259426308
https://twitter.com/itspurepinay/status/1479625448392851460
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I'm no big fish, but would be happy to help in any way I can. Let me know! Looking forward to seeing this come to fruition. HNY bud!
Share on Twitter and Hive, talk about it in discord. Anything helps to get the word out.
To me you're a really big fish!
Very good and good price. I think it should not hurt at all. Worst case we have something cool :P
I dont want to make big promises but no one can stop me from having big hopes. :)
This has my vote for sure!
Awesome idea! The amount of cool projects here is amazing!!
And what about the town halls that were recorded?
I definitely want an actor that plays me to be approved!!! LoL oh wait a documentary means that's me isn't it?
And absolutely we should have the town halls. As well as include the history and links.
Those Town Halls were definitely human history in the making.
I definitely approve!
remember the one where he sent a proxy to try and do his dirty work at one of them? I think he eventually realized he was in a no win situation.
Yep I was there at that one too.
And sending somebody to do your work and having them admit that there is no negotiation with Justin... That kind of shot himself in the foot.
Here let me send somebody to negotiate on my behalf that knows that they have no power and they can make no decisions..
I think Justin went into this having no plan and looking to screw himself over.
Kind of like how he's screwing himself over with this ambassador idea.
I have a feeling he's going to get fired quicker than he fired his own community...
Voted. Love this!
How you want to do this greatly resonates with me. Supporting the proposal.
How cool.
I like the idea behind the project.
Whatever you bring, just try to be the best and it doesn't necessarily has to be Hive centered but atleast we can promote Hive but simply tagging it there somewhere.
It wont just be tagged in the story. It will be a big part of it.
Cool.
This is a story that needs to be told!
This will definitely be huge and a great success. Awesome!
Voted! I hope it will be carried out.
Wish you luck, hope this gets made and will become a good and popular movie.
Thx.
Voted for the proposal with my proxy.
Thx
Most of the angles are covered. Very important to avoid making this some ridiculous monkey brained 'good vs evil' hit piece.
My only questions before pulling the trigger on that vote of approval is: How will the finished product be distributed? Who owns the rights?
very good point. It should be free to use for everyone.
I didn't make that point, or any point.
That's the point and it's a good one.
That's a question. ;)
See, now you get it. 2 + 2 = Hand. The answer isn't so obvious to most.
You see, the Hive community becomes Executive Producer of this film the moment the proposal passes.
:)
I would want to avoid going that route at first until we see how the documentary performs. There really is no reason we should not explore all opportunities and just give it out for free to everyone out of the gate.
That is definitely an option that will be explored though.
For Free shares good. That's my idea behind :)
If everyone can pick it up and share it, its something unique and only hive can profit from it.
Make it exclusive, for example, "Netflix" needs a lot of lawyer work. Simple because Netflix can absorbs it, never shows it up and it's gone.
It would be a worst-case, but for free is something that is unstoppable. Think about everyone that wants can upload it on youtube.
All opportunities will be explored as this develops.
A cool opening would be this:
And then: This is how the things get started and the story begins.
But I think then it would be not a documentary at all :D
Haha. I think the latest Matrix film ruined all the Matrix references. 😂
I'm happy I didn't watch it :)
So I can be in my bubble :P
You will be fine if you dont.
Nft token airdropped by stake 😲🤪
I was thinking something along those lines, actually. It's one thing to talk about how strong this community is but to also demonstrate it in the same breath somehow would add so much more to the story.
so if you hold 1% of the token you can share some seconds for free :P
$Fart Token Holders get priority, just sayin'
I was also thinking of this idea of tokenising the documentary but was too shy to put it out there.
In a sense I would serve the function of a producer as you need someone to stamp their name on papers, deal with legal side of things and hire the team.
The rights would be with the producer and the team making the film. This would be contractually agreed upon before anything is set in motion ofc along with the specifics.
Down the line, if this manages to get sold, we can talk about revenue distribution and reimbursing the DAO. But this proposal is not a "business opportunity" proposal as no profits are promised from this nor will this documentary be made with profits in mind. This is about making a piece of content to promote Hive and the crypto space.
Okay so as for distribution I assume it'll be made available on social media free of charge?
This is not being made as a social media project to be shared on youtube and in comments.
First step is getting this into international film festivals, attempt to win film awards, legitimizing the film. Then offer the movie to Netflix, and streaming services, getting into the mainstream machinery, and to various networks. After those steps have been taken and depending on the success, making it public domain will be discussed.
There really is no reason not to attempt everything to stamp blue and red ribbons on this.
This will be talked about much more in news circles, for example, if say, Netflix picks it up, or if it wins some international film awards then if its just something shared on social media.
Excellent. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
First step should be to release it for free on HIVE for all existing and new HIVE users to enjoy prior to any canvassing of red carpets for winning film festivals. I'd also work towards giving the popular and people's choice of Movie critics first glimpse (or previews).
The Critical Drinker on Youtube springs to mind, so does cointelegraph.com who wrote extremely detailed, unbiased and supportive articles throughout the whole Steem/Hive Hardfork.
You would have to sling @dan a preview too.
Dreaming of an International film award is a little extrem
Considering what that « world « is and we are not part of this bloodline .
So i really dont know what to say , but cool you want to make a movie , it will make the 5 000 people of hive happy i guess .
"Hoping for it" isnt unreasonable as the team making this has dozens of international awards already.
"Promising it", would be irresponsible.
The scope of the film is much broader then the Hive community and we hope that to translate to the final product.
the finished product could be licensed and distributed via $HIVE NFT's being purchased then issued for the reproduction, licensing etc etc. Could make it extra funky by giving a discount or other incentive to any distributor or licensee by giving them a discount when they purchase their licensing/ distribution NFT's using the $HIVE or $HBD cryptocurrencies.
I loved the proposal and I vote on it.
I dont know how but if you need some help about something you can text me.
I wish you good fortune in this endeavor. If you need any type of Hive video testimony I'm up for it. Best regards.
I was part of DLive while it was still on Steem and was part of the takeover there, as well. I doubt I can add anything of value from that standpoint but I would like to show some possibly useful info I gained from that period.
I posted a video before he bought Steemit saying he was going to acquire more things
I also spent 4 hours transcribing Justin and Ned's interview after he bought it. https://peakd.com/tron/@ericwilson/i-fully-transcribed-the-justin-sun-ned-scott-stream-from-feb-15th-2020 after the acquisition.
I was on dlive when tron took over and i saw the ruin of something great for something that was okish.
Anything anyone from the community can find will be helpful.
It does add to the fact Sun only wanted numbers of a community. Charles from DLive used Steem to get jumpstart of a community then used that to sell the numbers to Justin. Same with Ned and Sun: it was all about the community they tried to leverage to profit.
That didn't work for Steem: it did for DLive because DLive was never decentralized and always relied on money funneling down from Charles.
Thats a good point. Make project-get numbers-sell numbers.
But what happens when the "numbers" wont comply.. Then you have a problem. :)
There is plenty of information to discuss regarding Hive/Steem but I think there is a comparison to be made at how easy it was for him to roll over DLive in the same way he couldn't with Steem.
I think it's very important to differentiate what's interesting to us as Steem/Hive veterans and to the average non crypto person, because at the end of the day, those are the people you need to entertain.
Cg
Voted!
so cool! Wish this project lots of success and support it
🤯🤩 What?! This is definitely a proposal I will support. Fantastic idea!
LFG!
GMI 😉
I feel the SkateHive community could make for an interesting segment, because our focus is on sponsoring real world events, and bringing people into web3 using skating. As much as I love the technical side of things in web3, sometimes we need something that appeals to more than just the tech savvy people, and bridges the gap between social media, and real life.
Just my 2 sats.
Great idea! Good luck with this project!
I can’t help but imagine how cool it’ll be if it was directed by one of the best producers in the industry with the name, and every thing required to top every chart and we could actually pay for it. But if this guys are as good as you think they they are then we move on
@solymi that may interest you :)
@lordbutterfly I own a rental house for light & grip equipment near Munich. Hit me up if u need some gear. I also work as a gaffer. Would love to be part of the team.
cheers
Thx for the offer but youre out of reach by a 1000 km. :)
Gear wont be an issue.
Well depends on where you are I could make a funny road trip out of it, my wife is an actress actually. So where is this going to happen?
That'd shave off a lot of the budget. Lighting equipment can be real pricey. Several hundred a day for a single skypanel, $50 or so for a c stand for a day. Piles up real fast.
Even 3 day long productions on short films have budgets of about 20k with huge crews; most of that money going on lighting gear that isn't even used. Music videos are done on even tighter budgets and those come out very nice.
I work as a spark/gaffer too but I doubt I'd be of any use on something like this over in the UK.
@namiks well of course I got some SkyPanels in my rental but there are more cost efficient options which do basically the same. I like to say "less is more" and most of the times this is right because than you really think of what you could achieve with just one or two lights. Whatever, I give you a C-Stand for €5,- a day and this price is decreasing with the total amount rental days. Namiks do you know if there is an actual hive-community of filmmakers – i mean real filmmakers, not the one who buys himself a dslr and a cheap LED light and calls himself a cinematographer?! :D
So the HIVE documentary will be shot in UK? Well I have never been there, that would be a great opportunity.
Hey Ben :D whats up?
heyy well i hope we gonna shoot a music video soon right?
working on it
haha
Gave my vote. A very cool project!
I have a question. If the film succeeds, how do you look to translate it into other languages?
I already want to translate it into Ukrainian so that as many people in Ukraine as possible can watch it.
We will go 1 step at a time. :)
A lot of things have been discussed during the last few weeks and this is something that hasnt yet come up.
Should be a fun community production.
This is great I am voting now! Thanks for working on this for Hive!
I definitely want to have a standing actor to play me.
It's only fair that the ugly people among us get to have somebody pretty play their part on TV...
Well, hopefully I get the same because I am a balding goofy looking dude! You look like a 21 year old stud man maybe Jon can do a dual role for both of us!
Yeah I definitely vote to have a little bit of artistic license in this!!!
Please I don't want my ugly mug being famous
You all ready are sir! Go Hive!
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Try to get a statement from Ned and Dan for the documentary 🤣
here:
https://peakd.com/hive-110786/@informationwar/steem-ninja-mine-and-other-important-links
https://www.neoxian.city/@ironshield/steemit-inc-and-dirty-money-the-history-of-the-ninja-mined-steem-vest
https://goldvoice.club/steem/@informationwar/steem-ninja-mine-and-other-important-links/
https://www.buildblockchain.tech/newsletter/issues/no-91-steems-demise-and-hives-rise
erased link
https://steemit.com/steemit/@aggroed/a-brief-history-of-the-ninja-mine
Don't forget to plug the Farting Community
https://hive.blog/trending/hive-128773
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Great initiative happy to hear that
I honestly like this idea a lot and have already cast my vote in support. If you need any help whatsoever I will be glad to help.
Even though there isn't such a thing as bad publicity I like that you do not intend for it to be a revenge piece or some sort of documentary with scathing expository.
Wish you the very best.
You have my support. Looks like you're actively trying to make it understandable and neutral, and have a clear goal in mind. Best of luck!
Thank you.
I'm usually wary about supporting large chunks of cash coming out of the DHF, but $70,000... is that going to be enough? Seems on the low side.
It will be enough. If this was commissioned in US or any more rich western country it would not. Eastern Europe has always been rich with affordable talent.
happy new year to everyone and good luck this year with earning coins for free :).
Are you also looking forward for this?
Is there any way to get involved with the film makers? I would love to do the german narration I am a professional actor and I think it would give the movie access to more festivals. I can also share my hive story since I got in after the HF in february 2020 my story is a different one. I am in europe. I also have a bunch of people in Vienna who we could interview as well to show the userside of the project.
I have the equipment and crew to film the Viennese parts. Also have possibilities to shoot in Hungary and Germany if needed, adding even more statements. I hope we can have a talk :)
!LUV the project
@solymi(1/1) gave you LUV.
1 step at a time. Right now the focus is on getting this funded and writing a compelling script. Everything else will be discussed in later phases.
Awesome idea. I just love it
Will be amazing watch the Hive documentary in Netflix or something like that. All the best
I don't care if this wins some nomination for a prize or reach Netflix.
I just hope it is produced and taken to a good end and then we can make it reach to the world.
Good luck 👍
Thank you.
Though it's a proposal. I will support
This sounds fun
Looks like a great idea to me. You have all my support for this proposal. GL!
Dannnng!!! This is really exicing news!
This has a lot of potential for more reasons than you've outlined. There has not been any cinematic release on the topic of Cryptocurrency or blockchain technology yet so your proposed movie could be the first.
I think there's a ton of potential to play with the infotainment angle too. Sure a documentary containing a factual record of the events arranged neatly into a chronological timeline would be valuable as a resource for the initiated and newbie alike: for example, I can not remember all too clearly the events of March 2020 which led to the Steem / Hive Hard fork as the #covid #plandemic was gripping Earth at the same time!
I'd like to hear some narration in the video from HIVE users and if possible, any recordings from the immense town hall discord voice chats we had at the time. It was certainly a wonderful feeling to be part of a battle with many many other like-minded, freedom loving #steemians (soon to be #hiveians) at the time. It was also when I got to know the whales, communities and personalities on $HIVE a lot better too. And indeed there was no better time to make friends for life when facing infinity upon the battlefield!
I will vote for your proposal as it aligns to my reasons for being here. Your proposed fees seem high but hey, what do I know about that? I reiterate my previous suggestion to hear many narrators on this proposed documentary, to symbolize the many voices of $HIVE. @msp-waves is full of competent radio show presenters and hosts; it's my favourite place to gossip, laugh, listen to news, music, learn and while away the time. @eldritchspig also sports a vocal narrative depth and tone similar to Morgan Freeman.
Fuck Hollywood by the way - I want to see as many HIVE peeps as possible being able to chip into your documentary cinematic crypto motion picture. After all we are the subject matter experts ;-)
Some links for reference regarding the Steem Ninja Mine failure (STINC) and a timeline of posts leading up to the failed Justin Sun takeover + subsequent hard fork away from $steem into $hive:
I (and the online investigative group I was part of) used to write scripts & research the subject matter for short educational videos that went pretty viral back in 2017. You may have seen them and surprisingly they are still on youtube!
The reason I started using steem and d.tube was to prevent any of the online investigative projects from being censored or deleted once published so I would be happy to flick some ideas or proof-reading over if you like. I have a lot of time now due to sudden unemployment so by doing a bit of volunteer work, I can get back into the spirit of decentralized truth & online investigating!
ok, I voted to support the proposal. Please ensure Alec Baldwin does not have any role in this Production, thanks
May I also suggest the Documentary starts with the footage of Justin Sun picking his nose or at the very least include that footage somewhere within the movie ?
This sounds awesome.
I’ll vote for this proposal.
And if I can be of help in creating or shooting something useful for the documentary, as a UK based videographer, then I will make myself available 😀
Whilst I'm in favour of the idea, I don't know how I can vote on something without seeing a script.
You've given us a broad outline, however the story and how it is driven is the key to making this interesting.
Cg
Unfortunately, no one will do so much work for free.
Or perhaps a slightly more detailed synopsis. For example, will you follow a person, a community, a bunch of people? etc. etc.
I'm just interested to find out how you'll tell the story :)
Cg
There is some estimation of how much time will this take to make?
As far as I know, this post of mine has the best inside view giving the context of the genesis of Hive, written before Hive was born. I encourage you to use it for reference:
The Case For the Temporary Soft Fork
Public facts show him to be a criminal and a thief so I hope you don't withhold anything true in the pursuit of being "fair/balanced"
This is also a basic fact and a part of the story, even condensed, so why would you exclude it?
Public facts show public facts. We will not be taking a step beyond that and presenting conclusions to the audience. Conclusions are up to them to make. The documentary will not call Justin a criminal as I do not want to be sued for slander and because by making this even seem like propaganda or a hit piece we would severely diminish the reach of the film.
Again. Its all fun and games talking between ourselves how Justins a criminal and how Binance and Justin colluded between themselves.
But making a documentary that is to be poignant and relevant you cant go ahead and make those kinds of claims. The job of the documentary is to tell a story, present facts not to act as the court of law passing out judgements.
Gotta do a documentary. I feel like Hive is one of the most legendary communities in crypto! Our history is epic when you think about it
Will it be a musical?
I dont know what country this will be made in, in the USA it's not libel or slander to correctly and factually show how justin sun corrupted people and stole funds using exchanges stake.
Maybe where you are they cant say something unless it's been out through court? I dont see how you could be sued in the USA at least for being factual(otherwise tons of youtubers would be locked up). A video on YouTube and a movie are the same video medium, so if your country allows youtubers to say what they want for the most part you would be ok right?
I'm asking for clarification purposes before I decide to vote because portraying JS as anything other than the thief he is wouldnt be right. The proofs on the blockchain.
I love this idea though and probably will vote yes anyway.
I think people misunderstood me.
We will not hide what happened in any way but we will not be using words like "criminal, crook, liar, nobodies, etc." Or passing judgement on legality.
Something some people want to do.
We want to make a quality film, not create Hive propaganda. That propaganda being true or not doesnt matter.
Thanks for the response. I know that it can be different laws for different countries, I just saw that you are not in the USA.Defmation in the USA is almost impossible to successfully sue someone for, for example. Was just curious :)
And yeah, that makes sense to not use certain words.
We talked about this extensively since the idea first came up so I'll just put a few of the general questions that others may want answers to here:
Questions aside, its not a matter of ideology. The takeover took place as a 51% attack that was caused due stake that was never supposed to exist. That stake was created originally to circumvent funding laws. It was one of the final acts that stemmed from a greedy and opportunistic nobody who bought his way to a CEO position at Steemit before the project even existed. It wasn't Justin who threw a massive fit a year prior, refused to even sell Steemit to the community out of malice, covertly copyrighted 'Steem', and got Justin involved in the first place. The story is long enough for a telenovela.
That was answered above to Nonameslefttouse. They will work the only way they can work to achieve what we want to achieve.
I will hold the rights as a producer and de-facto investor, alongside the creators of the film as is determined by law in Serbia where their production company is based. (author rights)
The royalties havent yet been agreed upon, no contract has been signed at this moment in time, but as I mentioned to you, in case this gets sold, and to make it clear, this isnt being made with the intent to "make money", a significant percentage would be returned to the DHF.
Which is again requiring everyone to trust me to do as Im saying.
Everything is covered by the cost listed here and the production company.
There can be no presenters if this proposal isnt paid out.
That would be an absurd endeavor to try and get presenters when theres no certainty of anything.
They will not be paid, there will be no contracts outside letting us use their words in the documentary.
The documentary itself will cover more than just Hive. And Justin is a part of what makes the Hive story. Ned will be featured, yes.
As the script hasnt been written yet, I cant answer that. Witnesses, investors on Hive will have some input on what goes into the script so we can decide that when it comes up.
Credits.
Not sure to whom this refers to. This is a story about crypto in general and Hive. Focus is on ideas, not on people.
But again, script hasnt been written yet, there will be opportunity for input.
This documentary will be treated just like any Hive project when it comes to the marketing funds expenditure I hold. Outside that, everything else will be covered by this cost listed and the production company.
Everything is a matter of ideology. As will be discussed in the opening part and conclusion. The facts of the Steem/Hive split will be explored but there will be no personal attacks as you state them here. That is not how you create high quality content with award and high audience potential.
That kind of content is for youtube channels and to be shared in echo chambers in random group chats.
The story will be told as it happened without using words like "criminals, crooks, liars, nobodies."
If that is the type of film people want made, then I am not interested in doing it.
Doing revenge hit pieces no one will see, being ranted about in discord channels is nothing more than a waste of everyones time.
This documentary will tackle a broader crypto story in laymans terms, create understanding and using Hive as proof of the promise of blockchain.
The community is funding it but you will own it?
Seeing as we are a decentralized community, shouldn't the funding and rights come from, say, group-ownership point of view?
It cant work that way. In case of film sale, I am legally obligated to cover the taxes and am responsible as a physical entity for all legal aspects.
Im signing the contract under my name in all cases. These would be distribution rights.
Then you have the author rights that are held by the content creators.
Government entities do not recognize "DAO ownership" as we would describe it here.
I have never been all that chummy with you but this is an epic idea. Cheers and best of luck.
I've had extended time away from Hive as I needed to focus on producing rather than writing. However on 1/1/22 my 'creative muse' suggested I return to blogging and to Hive.
I was delighted to see this proposal and really applaud the idea of your film being produced for international film festivals rather than social media video channels. I'm also really pleased that it won't be defiled by dwelling on personal attacks but rather tell a balanced story of the entire growth and potential of the community and the relevance of cryptocurrencies in today's world. ♥︎♥︎⚖️♥︎♥︎
uhhhhhh I want to see this
supporting you guys 100%
Hi, we are also filmmakers on Hive. Maybe we can help with something. Let us know if you need support.
you got my vote
also I could definitely have a crack at an audition for narrating the documentary. Im an actor with a fairly RP english accent and Ive been around on hive for nearly 5 years, so if it appeals to you guys to have a familiar face/voice to present it, I would be honoured to be considered.
I'll be following progress anyway, but do let me know if theres an opportunity to try out for this. : )
excellent project. Very much looking forward to seeing progress on this one x
This is wow!
It'd probably be more beneficial if community members were the ones to shoot and edit the whole thing. Not only would save a lot of cash over hiring a production company, but would also allow for a more direct insight into the events; as well as giving some of the talent here some recognition.
Thats what I thought. The truth is that it wouldnt.
The next best offer, made by community members was 2-3 times more expensive per 10 minutes than this.
Thats the case for a lot of things on Hive. A lot of things are much more expensive internally then if we delegate work outside Hive.
Do you have any intentions of breaking down the costs and sharing them? I'd be curious to see as to where some of that could be going. Especially in relation to travel costs/any gear rental. As others have said: they've got some experience in this sort of thing. The input at least might help with cost reduction.
70k for a documentary does seem like a steep cost. Especially when feature films with entire film crews and gear can be made in a month for 150k. Ideally a documentary would have 3 - 5 behind the camera: sound, lighting, DP and 2nd AC.
For a documentary I can't see a whole lot of money being needed for the gear side of things, given you just need a few lights and some materials. Camera doesn't need to be an ARRI Alexa or anything too fancy either, even a Sony A7 3 would suffice. Ideally a group hired directly from a production company that does documentaries would also have access to such gear already. The fee would more be for hiring them for their work over the gear.
Let's go, I'm upvoting !
If they need one more person for the editing I could help. I'm a little far from them though but In Europe, in France :')
They have an award winning editing team so im sure they will do well, but if help is needed Ill keep you in mind. Thx
I indeed don't think they will need any help :')
You might also consider the Sundance Film Festival in the U.S. https://www.sundance.org/
Anything to help Hive. Vote the proposal.
P.s. let all the negative people be... They say, negative is the enemy of creativity. Good luck on this project!
Would like to tag our @hivecebubloggers members; @asasiklause @sassycebuana @jongcl @explorewithsasha @sellennee @humbledwriter @gerel @gwenfinity @tanawabai @ate.eping @lifewithera @jeennicious @cheerupwithjl @jezwanderer @krystalogue @generosesity @breakn3ck @itsmiessyonpeakd @travelwithdale @filipinajourney @morenatravels
Phew, sorry can't remember everyone...So many of them,haha will just send this link on our group chat.
Ah I see. You answered a bunch of questions I had. Cool.
Ok so @lordbutterfly I have read all of your documents and think that it is a great idea, however I have questions.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this project proposal that you have written, so far based only on a concept- an idea, is to crowdfund the entire production costs, from development to distribution through Hivean support, correct?
And please don't get offended here, I'm just playing the devils advocate here...
If the no.1 priority is to educate and entertain the masses about ultimately Hive, in the most efficient way possible, then rather than spend so much time and money editing, then re-editing and more cutting (+$$$$$) to submit into various film fests (+$$$$$) in a piecemeal fashion to win those awards, why not go straight for the million dollar marketing machines that the big streamers such as Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Apple, Stan, etc, are for full commission firstly, then acquisition deals secondly.
If not them, why not pitch to distributors and get their support first, then to equity investors and other pre-sale/prebuys and representation for it?
Have you done the research to see if any of these platforms are even in the market for this type of doco to begin with?
What's the hook? What is it about this doco that will make them- production/investment partners want to invest their time and money into it?
What is it about the doco that would make the general public want to invest their time into watching it?
And especially since you do not want to make it a revenge piece about the whole Steem/JS saga, then it won't be that sensationalised story that the broadcasters love so much, so there's going to have to be some sort of other seriously sexy appeal for them to want it...
I know that you don't have script yet, but do you have a logline/topline, a short or long synopsis yet?
And don't give it away for free- not until everyone above has said no first, otherwise if everyone has already seen it, then why would they broadcasters want to buy it.
As for the actual physical production, if your sound recordist and the equipment that they will be using on set is that good, then why would the sound need to be re-recorded?
And why when there is trillions of pre-recorded foley loops available on both free and subscription based sound websites would more Foley effects need to be recorded first?
And what are the emotions that you are trying to trigger when you say.....composer will create music that will make this film even more shocking. And that is the whole point at the end, emotion! We need to trigger that.???
And what emotions are you trying to trigger through the actual story? (I imagine that you would want to end the doco with an uplifting, hopeful message through both the sound design and the narrative though?
Without having to do so much for the audio, then you could save yourself a lot of money.
And without having the editor and the director cut it into various sizes and spend time exporting each version for various films fests, again, you could save yourself a lot of money- and time.
And have you also considered pitching this as a podcast feature or series?
So complete the physical production as if the final outcome is an A/V broadcast, but then extract the audio from the final edit to use as an audio based program IF you can't get any A/V broadcast deals or film fest acceptances....
Now please don't get me wrong, I'm not writing this to upset you, but only to help you define what could be an outstanding project as I love Hive and everyone on it since I first stumbled onto it 18months ago (even though there is still a few things I find very frustrating about it- BUT only because I don't understand them and can't find the info to help me understand it....) and I only want to see this succeed as I want to see Hive and all of the people in the communities get the recognition that they deserve and for HIVE to achieve the potential longevity it can have.
So that's why I ask you these questions. AIM for the top as then there's always room to work your way down- if need be, but once you aim for the middle, it's hard to work your way to the top.
These are some questions from an international doco conference that I attend every year and these questions might help you not only define the direction of the doco in terms of the story and the pathway to broadcast, but will also help you articulate it better.
WHAT DO YOU WANT?
Select as many as apply:
● Acquisition (broadcast, platform, etc)
● A full commission
● Equity investment
● Festival programming
● International sales representation
● Pre-sales / Pre-buys
● Executive producer
● Grants / funding
● Gap financing
● Distribution (other territories)
● Other ___________
WHAT IS THE STYLE?
● Observational Documentary
● Presenter Led/Participatory
● Poetic/Stylised/Animated
● Hybrid
WHAT IS THE STRAND?
● Documentary
● Specialist Factual
● Factual Entertainment
● Unscripted
● Investigative
● Narrative
● * Country / Countries of production
● ^ States / Territories of production
● * Languages
● * Logline
● * Short Synopsis
● * Short treatment (including story arc, brief description of the project’s style)
● * Short status report: a brief description of planned production schedule, access, pending
● Finance plan
● Short audience engagement plan: outreach and strategy
● Short Director’s Statement
● Short Producer’s Statement
● Treatment document/deck
As an example, just reading through your concept doc, I got this as a (rough draft) logline/topline
In the era of global digital fraud, comes the global digital community, the next step in the evolution of crypto currency based blockchain, the revolt against centralised communication, media and finance and the people behind it. Welcome to the Freechain
Or
The Hive, where truth, democracy and financial equality will prevail in the decentralised digital revolution that is crypto currency based blockchain media. Welcome to the Freechain and meet the people behind it.
Anyway, I know you don't know me, and really in the whole scheme of things I am a no-one, but a no-one that would love to see this smash the charts and so only here to offer my help in any which way I can.
Anyway, that my 2 cents worth...hope you don't mind (too much...lol...)
I really look forward to chatting with you more about this.
And now I'm off to bed.
Goodnight @lordbutterfly 😊
Distribution will be in tandem with the films festival life. All the specifics will be determined as we go, a lot of things this coming week actually.
The brief was done, a chunk of time went on familiarizing the team with the story itself.
A lot of things are subject to change so we didnt want to push it beyond the general idea and promise 1 thing here and deliver another. I was very cautious for that reason about what I was writing in the initial proposal.
Only things I was absolutely certain about have been stated with certainty.
Ive bookmarked this comment. Im sure it will come in handy along the way. thx.
Have you ever made a doco before???
And if you haven't, don't be afraid to admit it, (or be offended by this question) there's nothing wrong with that, after all, we all had to start somewhere.
Im not making it. Im funding it.
Well if you're funding it, then you are apart of the team that is making it.
Regardless of what role you have, the simple fact is if you do have a role in it, you are making it.
You are the producer as you are organising the funding for it and the people that do financially invest in it are the executive producers- and if you are crowdfunding through Hive, then each Hivean that puts money into it becomes co-exec producers.
If you are the ONLY entity that invests money into making it, then you are the exec producer.
So have you made any A/V productions before???
Im acting as a middle man between the production and film making team and Hive.
Im aware of my role and what it entails as I am currently doing the work that is assigned to that role. If I wasnt, then the film would not get made.
Have I been involved in any big film productions? No.
What I have worked on most recently is the shorter videos like the Hive info video thats placed on the Hiveblocks twitter page. https://twitter.com/hiveblocks/status/1429136123436093441
Wrote the script, designed it, etc. Everything except the animation itself and voice over.
Ive personally made and edited dozens of music videos. Its mostly amateur work like this video below but I have a grasp of basic intricacies of video and audio editing. I wont be doing any of it with the documentary but I understand the workflow, etc..
Im a business and management major with business experience and im fairly familiar with the processes present with this.
I see a Balkan movie team! 😍 & seems like all Serbs in the team?! That looks very promising! The Serbian cinematography was the best during the time of Yugoslavia but also in post-Yu times. Now it's still very strong but I haven't any good & new Serbian-made movies lately. If you have suggestions, please write in comment.
This proposal is surely getting my vote! 😉
This will be huuuuuge! Also for additional promo of ecosystem projects like @actifit, @leofinance or @aurealone
🤗🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Best of luck!
Voted!
Loved the proposal. We need more outreach for sure.
@brianoflondon - lol, this is gonna get BDS'd so hard 😆
Great project, I hope you do well.